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Peter Graziano's avatar

I believe you have demonstrated in your own article that its premise is false. Your example for a historical claim was the Resurrection of Jesus. This can be disproven if the historical evidence could demonstrate with sufficient probability that Jesus’ body remained in the tomb or was stolen. However, the only way to do this with certainty would be for someone trustworthy to attest to the location of the body from the 1st century. But, in the historical section on the Papacy being unfalsifiable, you say “with the near-impossible exception of the discovery of some early second century undisputed historical text which boldly states ‘by the way, there has never been a bishop in Rome,’” This is exactly the same type of evidence we would currently need to disprove the Resurrection. So if the Resurrection is currently falsifiable, then so is the Papacy.

Both Resurrection and Papacy, therefore, could have been disproven. They were not. This is an argument for the validity of both claims, not their falsity, but now, neither can be proven or disproven by means of arguments. They are axioms of the faith, not theorems.

This is the whole distinction between the Catholic and Protestant ways of thinking. We Catholics (and the Orthodox with us) are fundamentally focused on our ritual practices and manners of worship. The dogmas built around that came after to defend the method of worship. Anyone, even if he be the pope, who says something incompatible with the method of worship passed down from our fathers is therefore wrong. That’s why our theology can sometimes look like post facto justification; because it is. What we believe has been handed down to us through our mode of worship. Specific logical justifications for it were not, and so theologians can strive to sort it out and thread the needle into a cohesive whole, but so long as you worship the way we do, we don’t really care how you thread that needle.

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Amelia McKee's avatar

I can see how the doctrine of the Papacy is a hard one to believe, especially in such times. However, I don’t think as Christians we should be using the principle of falsifiability to examine every principle of our faith.

The principle of falsifiability is an empirical philosophical principle that comes from Karl Popper an atheist, to be used in Science. Faith claims are very different from scientific claims.

This principle is not Platonic and almost never used by Christian philosophers, unless they are Humian/empiricist. Lots of faith claims can not be falsifiable. (This is all over CS Lewis’s Narnia btw) The very principle of falsifiability can’t itself be falsifiable. There is so much knowledge that is not propositional and can’t be falsifiable.

The Authority of the Bishop of Rome relies on an understanding of the Role the is historical, typological, theological, etc. It’s also a mystery of the faith.

Of course, there can be more or less evidence for historical claims. When Catholics look to tradition to support the Papacy, they look to the authority of the bishop of Rome in the early church. I think it’s pretty clear that ex Cathedral statements are incredibly rare.

See Danielou: God and Ways of Knowing

You do make some good arguments about what exactly the Church means by the authority of the Papacy. It’s something that can be summarized super pithily, but lots of truths of the faith can’t be.

John Henry Newman’s Pro Vita Sua is one of the best theological arguments for the papacy that I’ve seen.

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